Episode 84: Visiting with Connie Blick of Bloomington-Normal and her story, “This Play Called Life”

                                    ANNOUNCER  00:00  Raising women's voices one story at a time. Welcome to The She Said Project Podcast.
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JENETTE JURCZYK  00:27  It has been an amazing season so far on The She Said Project Podcast. It is one of my favorite things to do, chatting with women who have already been onstage in a That's What She Said show because Kerry, we know there's so much more.
 
KERRY ROSSOW  00:42  Oh my gosh, it's so great to do this. Because after every single show, I always think, ‘I wonder about,’I wonder what happened,’ right? I have questions! After I listen to their story I’m like like, ‘wait, but what about?’ ‘but what about? In today's speaker, her whole piece really touched me because when we were starting the That's What She Said show, I was turning 40. And I remember one of the things we kept saying, because this was not in our wheelhouse, any kind of theater work, and we kept saying, You're never too old to rewrite your script. And I felt like this piece really was that and it really especially touched me.
 
JENETTE  01:17  Well, you know my story and as a theatre girl who did end up in small town, USA in the Midwest, if that hadn't happened, I wouldn't have met you and Jill and Casey and gotten involved with That's What She Said, you know, this is Jenette Jurczyk, National Director, I gave myself a very fancy title. But the whole point was, I get to produce theater. I get to empower women, we get to have amazing conversations. And it's because we were not afraid to rewrite our story. And I'm so excited to share Connie's story today, because Connie Blick is on the line with us from Bloomington-Normal Illinois. Hi, Connie.
 
CONNIE BLICK  01:52  Hi.
 
JENETTE  01:53  Welcome to the podcast.
 
CONNIE  01:55  Thank you. I'm so happy to be here.
 
JENETTE  01:57  So you just heard what Kerry and I were talking about, did that resonate with you? Because you and I, when we met we definitely bonded over some similarities in the first parts of our story and how things had to change and shift for us. 
 
CONNIE  02:09  Yeah, we had a similar dream, you know, wanting to make it big, be an actress – do the thing. And then I think life took us in another direction back to Central Illinois. So we definitely shared that for sure.
 
JENETTE  02:19  And so that was the beginning of your story. Finding The One, who encouraged you to go after your dreams, and then all the shifts and twists and turns that came from there. And I'm excited to share with our listeners where you are now and what you're doing now. But I don't want to lose them on the journey. So why don't we go ahead and listen to the story that you shared on stage, because at the end of the day, you took ownership of your life and your story. And so that's the message I want our audience to enjoy right now. So take a listen: This is Connie Blick, live on stage in That's What She Said Bloomington-Normal 2023 and her story, "This Play Called Life." 

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(originally recorded September 22, 2023 at the Bloomington Center for the Performing Arts in Bloomington, Illinois.)
CONNIE BLICK  03:02  Act 1, scene 4 - In the Life of Connie Blick. 
I remember at 13 years old, I would lock myself in the upstairs bathroom with Shakespeare's folio, open up to Romeo and Juliet, and recite the balcony scene over and over again. ‘Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo?’ The next night in front of the mirror, I'd act out the serendipitous and disgustingly romantic way I might meet my future husband, complete with using my hand to pretend to kiss him like this. (laughter)
 
03:42 It was always a dream of mine to be the next Julia Roberts. But the harsh reality was I was a Connie Chung and back then Connie Chung's didn't make it to the silver screen. I clung to acting because with each role I played, it meant I could be something other than I was: a Vietnamese-Polish-Irish mixed-race, shy, wavering teen with very little confidence, who her whole life struggled with an uncertainty about her identity. My identity was never in harmony with my ethnicity. My identity was something I was constantly trying to discover. I wasn't Asian enough to fit in with one clique and I wasn't white enough to fit in with another. I always felt like I had to meet someone else's expectations of what it means to be me – or what I am not.
 
04:43  Acting gave me the freedom to immerse myself in someone else's story. To escape from reality. Being on stage meant that I didn't have to engage with the real world, a world where I was fetishized for my almond eyes one second and then the next being called a chink, a Charlie, or Connie Chung.
 
05:05  So that young girl, unsure of her identity, ditched the bathroom mirror for a real audience and I decided to take this acting thing seriously and study it in college. This, I thought was what made me me and I was going to go for that dream.
 
05:22  Act 2, scene 3 - Connie meets The One. (Trust me it was nothing like the movies.)
 
05:31  The moment I knew he was The One came about six months into our relationship during a date to the local bowling alley. And as we cruised down Veterans Parkway on a hot, windy May Day in his rusted out maroon Buick Century, I channeled my inner bad girl character, and I lit a cigarette to smoke in the passenger seat. I finished and I flicked that cigarette out the window and then we pulled into the now defunct bowling alley, rolled up the windows, and went inside.
 
06:06  Me. with my real life Romeo. We bowled. We had fun. He was cute. He was like leading man cute, like a mix between a young Jeff Goldblum and George Clooney. And I liked him a lot.
 
06:27  And as we headed out the door to leave, we stopped in our tracks at an unbelievable sight. We saw thin black smoke seeping out of the windows of his car. He said to me, ‘Wait here.’ And I watch him run as fast as he can to the car, peek into the closed windows, and he quickly opens the door. (loudly) Wooooof!  Huge clouds of black smoke emerge from the car. The car was on fire! It was literally on fire. That cigarette that I thought I flicked out onto Veterans Parkway made its way back into the car through the open rear windows.
 
07:15  The One runs back inside to me and the only thing running through my head is ‘oh my god, this is it. This is the end of this relationship.’ This perfect guy is going to be furious, right? 
So he runs back inside, and I blurt out an apology to him and explain, 'We know that it had to be the cigarette and it was all my fault.' And I'm preparing myself for a breakup right there in that moment. But instead, he looks at me with gentle eyes and says, 'It's okay. It's just a car. It was an accident.'
 
07:50  And that was the moment I knew he was The One because you can tell. You can tell The One based on how they respond to life's unexpected moments. And instead of being angry and placing blame, he was calm and tolerant. He was the real life man of my dreams. Okay, maybe that was like something out of the movies, but one written by like Greta Gerwig or something, you know.
 
08:21  Act 2, scene 6 - The Dream Realized.
 
08:26  My senior year in college, we had an acting showcase where you performed in front of talent agents. And if you were good, or maybe just lucky, you get agent representation. I got a call to be represented by Chicago talent agency. This was it. I thought I was a step closer to my dream. The One and I went to celebrate with friends at a local bar. And across the bar, I start noticing a girl making eyes at me like this. shouting racist remarks about how I don't belong here. I looked into The One's eyes defeated, but trying to stay strong. I channelled that inner bad girl role again and I was gearing up to confront her but The One pulled me back. 'It's not worth it. She's not worth it,' he said. 'You're on your way to something big. Let's go.'
 
09:19  And go I did. Out of that bar and out of this college town to Chicago that summer to start auditioning. Another step closer to that dream toward the only identity I knew, the only role I wanted to be: an actress.
 
 09:35 Act Two, scene seven - The Dream Deferred.
 
09:40  After a few months of trying to make it as an actor in Chicago, I found out I was unexpectedly pregnant at the age of 23. And while having a baby was the absolute last thing I thought would happen to me on this journey of following my dreams, there was not a justifiable reason that I could come up with that led me to not have the baby, and The One supported whatever choice I decided to make. So, I moved back to Bloomington Normal, so The One and I could find an affordable place to live. And we had the help of his parents who were here, local. I was leaving behind my dream. And I was preparing to embrace the role that I didn't see coming and didn't know how to prepare for: motherhood.
 
10:26  Act 3, scene 1- A New Role.
 
10:31  At 23, I found myself standing in front of that mirror again, except this time, it wasn't reciting Romeo and Juliet. It was admiring my growing belly that was nurturing and sustaining life, amazed that my body was capable of something so weird. I vividly remember the second my daughter was born, she came out, blue, and breathless. And when she took her first breath, The One and I watched her turn from blue to rosy pink in an instant, from her head to her fingertips all the way down to her toes. The doctor put her in my arms and said, 'Congrats, Mama.'
 
11:21  And it was then in that very moment, I knew why I was put on this earth, I knew who I was meant to be. And as I breathed in the smell of my baby's sweet skin, I exhaled, and I let go of that dream of being an actress. Because I was a mama now and raising my daughter. And then five years later a son was the role of a lifetime. And the only thing on my mind - forget identity searching, being a young mom became my identity. I clung to, and I embraced motherhood, with the same passion I had for the dream that I breathed away the day my daughter was born. There was suddenly more important things on my mind than trying to find the answer to where I fit in. I was too consumed with keeping them alive in the real world, happy and loved. I loved being a mom. And I loved experiencing this journey with The One by my side who I married. After I witnessed what an incredible father he was to our firstborn.
 
12:35  Act 3, scene 10 -Darkness.
 
12:40  In 2019, at the age of 35, I was diagnosed with cervical cancer. It's funny, the whirlwind of emotions that flow through you within the first five minutes of hearing that you have the C word. Panic, anxiety, reflection, regret, gratefulness, pain, insecurity, fear. The One accompanied me, to every doctor appointment in Peoria. And after each appointment, we would unwind at the same restaurant. We coined it The Cancer Restaurant. We'd sit on the patio, drinking a beer, and discussing the future and exchanging questions.
 
13:27 How do we tell the kids? What happens if I can't beat this? What if it's worse than they say it is? What could I have done? Why me?
 
13:37 This restaurant was our ritual, an escape from the reality of what I was facing ahead, an escape from the stress of all the unanswered questions. I learned that part of my treatment for the cancer meant the need to have a hysterectomy. And they would remove my uterus, cervix and fallopian tubes. They would remove the very parts of me that housed and nurtured the two greatest accomplishments of my life. The parts that made me a mom. And I wasn't prepared for the emotional toll that overcame me after they removed those pieces of me. And after the surgery, I fell into an unfamiliar dark place. I fell into depression. I felt empty, knowing that this huge piece of me was missing that, to me was so closely connected to my identity. Now when I found myself in front of the mirror again, staring at my reflection, I only saw the scars where they removed those pieces of me. I would run my fingers over them and feel ashamed and disgusted. Worthless. The One tried to encourage me But I was lost.
 
15:01  Every visit to The Cancer Restaurant from this point on was shrouded in this indescribable darkness due to my depression. And on the day I found out I had clear margins and the cancer was gone, we went to celebrate at The Cancer Restaurant, but I was grieving. I was grieving my womanhood. Because for the past 11 years, what had defined me was being a mom. And without these parts that made me a mom, who was I.
 
15:32  A final follow up appointment meant a final visit to the cancer restaurant. And as we entered the parking lot, I noticed that the restaurant was unusually empty for that time of the day, and there was a white sign on the entrance doors. I hopped out of the car, and I read it and it said: 'To all of our patrons, thank you for your patronage over the years, we have permanently closed our doors."
 
15:59 And in my head, I thought, ‘No way. No, this? Absolutely not.’ This place was just open the week before. This is The Cancer Restaurant. This is where we go to talk about cancer, this can't be happening. I read it again, 'we have permanently closed our doors.' And this broke me, but not in a way that you would think. I was standing there in front of this white sign that said we have closed our doors. But I was being presented with this cosmic sign that said, 'it's time to close the doors. Move on.'
 
16:40  And it was the physical closing of the doors of this restaurant that allowed the doors to close on the dark side of my recovery. And in this moment, something came over me. I stood there in front of that sign and I didn't have to grieve anymore. I was grateful. Instead to be alive and healthy, driving away to find a new place to eat, meant driving away into a new future, a future where I can stand in front of the mirror again, and admire the tiny scars that have been left by those previous scenes in my life. Because these scars, whether visible or not, meant the hurt was over and the wound is closed.
 
17:27  Today. As The One and I begin this new act in our lives, I stare back at my reflection in the mirror at 39 years young. And I am proud. I am filled with gratitude for the way that these acts in the life of Connie Blick have been written. Because if it wasn't for these acts, the search for identity, meeting The One, the leap to follow my dream, the ridicule that made me stronger, and most notably, the unexpected gift of pregnancy, before the unexpected journey through cancer and the hysterectomy.
 
18:10  If it wasn't for these acts happening in the very moments that they did in this time of my life that they did, I wouldn't be in this place that I am in this very moment this magnificent place where I embrace the role of a wife, a mother, a friend, a daughter, a survivor, a committed and passionate theatre artist, and so much more. This magnificent place: the present – where I have so much to be grateful for. In this play called life I hold the pen. I am the playwright, and I look forward to the next scene. The next role that I might be cast in… because these scenes, these acts, these experiences,  these are what make me me. 
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JENETTE  19:16 But at the end of the day, we are all the playwrights holding the pen, Kerry!
 
KERRY  19:20 Yep. yep, I love it. I hope that stories like this that it just keeps encouraging women just because you open door one doesn't mean that you can't keep opening door number two, door number three and just keep going. Nothing says you have to stay in that one script.
 
JENETTE  19:35 And so grateful we live in a time where you can pivot
 
KERRY  19:38 (silly voice) PIVOT!
 
JENETTE  19:39 … and change what your dream looks like. You just redefine it. It's your success. 2.0 So kind of like how do you feel about your Success 2.0, these days?
 
CONNIE  19:50  Oh my gosh, honestly, it was really because of the motivation that I found from That's What She Said and someone that I met Sonja (Mau) actually, one of the other people  who encouraged me to go for my dream of starting a theatre company here in town. So that's my story 2.0 Sonja really inspired me to do that. And just after she heard my story at That's What She Said, and knew how much I love theater and that art and how I was kind of thinking about bringing in the theater company to Bloomington. She just said, ‘Go for it. What do you have to lose?’ Those simple words really pushed me like, you're right. And I think That's What She Said motivated me to say, Yeah, my dreams aren't finished, like, I'm still writing my story at 40 I still have things I want to do. And starting that is definitely Connie 2.0.
 
JENETTE  20:37  And your theater company is not typical, you don't do typical theater. It's very unique and creative.
 
CONNIE  20:42  Yeah, it's site specific. So we're literally theater that moves. So we perform in locations that are specific to the play. So we don't have a traditional home theater, we perform in bars, and we perform in log cabins with plays set by the fireplace, and we performed in warehouses. And it's really fun. You know, I'm from my story, what I wanted to be was an actress. That's my background. But I think that through this and in this change, I've learned that I'm capable of so much more than just acting or kind of being the creator behind this and founding it and producing and doing the marketing and learning so much more about myself in this process. Because of that shift. When I thought I had a one track, I just want to be an actor. And now this has brought me so many other levels in the creative world and realm of things that I didn't think I was good at, but just discovered that I was through this.
 
JENETTE  21:33  So every story that appears on a stage we hope resonates with someone in the audience, I'm sitting here vibrating on fire, I'm waiting for Kerry to make some jokes
 
KERRY  21:42  A girl's best friend! (laughter)
 
JENETTE  21:47  What you just shared resonated with me. So personally, I have to share this little piece because I also went to school to study theater, I also went to New York and Los Angeles with a dream of working as an actor. And I chose to come back to Champaign, Illinois, when I married my husband and I chose to start a family and to find another path. But but there was a gray area, there was a great time where it was unclear. And I was working in a real estate office and my company at the time worked with an executive coach to help you find your purpose or is find happiness and joy along the way in your company. And I have to say I'm pretty impressed that they did that. But I used to refer to him as my court ordered therapist because I was required to spend time with him. And throughout the process, I finally confessed to him that when I left Los Angeles that I stopped talking about it with people because I would have to come to the point of the story where I didn't make it, where I gave up where I failed, right? And he said to me one day, well, I don't think you were ever supposed to be an actor. And I got so angry. I was so upset. I was like, What are you talking about? It was my dream is the only thing I ever wanted. And he said, No, you are a creator. An actor is someone who regurgitates other people's words, you need to be in charge at the helm, creating, producing. And I want to say it was even pre she said that we had this conversation. And I mean, I had to process the anger before I could really hear what he said, and oh my god, that's what I get to do every single day, I get to direct I get to produce, I get to act as a therapist now sometimes, you know, story development sessions, but my life is so fulfilling, and so powerful. And when I look back on what I quote/unquote, gave up in Los Angeles, I can honestly say, I don't know that I would have been doing anything more anything greater than I was when I left. But because I came to this community in central Illinois, and met the incredible, amazing, phenomenal women here that have these big ideas, you know, and I also sometimes confess that it was because of my own discomfort that I was even open to what was possible. If I had been content enough like I was when I lived in California, I don't know that I would have been open to a concept or you know, a storytelling event. You know, what's that? It's a one night show. Oh, but it's so much more. And now Connie Blick is in my life and Kerry Rossow is in my life, and I daresay hundreds of women are in my life because of That's What She Said.
 
KERRY  24:38  It's the old thing of unanswered, thank goodness for unanswered prayers, you know, like, oh, gosh, and luckily you had to go through some anger, anger, feelings and all of that, but you were because of all of those things. You're able to just be killing it at what you're doing.
 
JENETTE  24:52  Thank you for indulging me. This is supposed to be all about planning, but it was it was too specific of a moment that I had to share. And
 
CONNIE  24:59  I think It also comes with age and maturity and experience. In retrospect, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. My daughter came to see the show. And she's 60 now, and I talked about her, you know, it was because I got pregnant and that, you know, we came back here and everything and that kind of stalled the dream, you know, this was my new role, right was now being a mom. She came in watch the show, and when I saw her after she was in tears, because she felt so guilty. You know, she just, she heard it and thought, It's all my fault. Mom, I stopped you from your dream happening because of me. That crushed, you know what I mean? By said, no, no, like, you were my dream, you know, because I can see that retrospectively now to her or it might seem that way, you know, but for me, I said, this is exactly how my life was supposed to be. You didn't, you didn't crush anything. You know, I think the moral of that story is just everything happened the way it was supposed to you open that mystery door, it's just like, here's this new experience, there's this new thing, I'm gonna follow this path. And like, having her was everything that led me to where I am now, and so appreciative to where I am now. Like, I don't see that. I wouldn't have seen that because we can't tell the future right? Like retrospectively, she was everything I needed a really incident mother daughter moment, have her here that that I had a life before her because I think as a kid, you don't think about your parents life before. Before you were born. Right? That's all she knew. And so to hear about my life before her and her feeling like it was me that stopped your dream from happening. But me, you know, being able to say no, you you were everything. This is exactly how my life is supposed to be. And I'm so satisfied. It really meant a lot to us and that experience how to experience together things can change your life can go different ways. So grateful for what we have
 
JENETTE  26:38  Kerry, can you pass the tissues, please?
 
KERRY  26:43  The tissues,
 
JENETTE  26:44  Connie, I remember a conversation you and I had, there was this moment where you were breaking down the order of things and how they happened. And if you had gone to Hollywood and live your dreams, and worked – worked as an actor, I mean, working as an actor ain't easy people it is not all fun and games. But if you had gone and done the hard work, the timing, how it would have worked out with your cancer diagnosis. But if you had put off having children, we had this really powerful, intimate conversation about the what if, when you say everything happened the way it was supposed to be beyond the shadow of a doubt. You had your children, before you had to face recovering from cancer and all of the what ifs that could have been.
 
CONNIE  27:29  Oh, exactly. Until you and I talked about it that night. I had never thought of that. After all the therapy, I had been through everything, that I've never even came to that revelation with my therapist, like, that's when you say you are a therapist at some point. It's true. You really made me aware of that. And that made me be like, Oh my God, yes. Like, if that didn't happen the way it was, I could have been at an age where I couldn't even have had kids because of the hysterectomy and losing that part. So the gratitude for my life really came through developing the story, because it was in that moment that we talked that I really realized there could have been a chance that I couldn't even experience motherhood, you know, something that I love so much. I didn't realize that until we talked that night. So yeah, I mean, it was it was heavy, it was deep and discovered through this process.
 
JENETTE  28:15  And you say the word gratitude because you were asked during like a media interview. If you could describe your story with one word, and you chose gratitude. I remember that. 
 
CONNIE  28:24  Yeah. Oh, gosh, so much in so many different ways for everything, you know, I mean, the losses, the losses, the grief, like you have to go through all of that stuff to really be grateful for what you have, you know, I'm getting teary eyed thinking about it. Just complete gratitude for where I am right now. And everything that led me to this place without the fame and the fortune. That's not what it's about. I think it's just happiness in so many other ways, doing what I love creatively, but also being able to also be a mom. It's thrilling. And yeah..
 
JENETTE  28:56  There's a lot of people out there who have the fame and even some of the fortune who don't have what you and I do have, you know, 

CONNIE  yeah, yeah. 

JENETTE  And sometimes I have to remember I have to choose gratitude for all that I do have and let go of what I quote/unquote gave up. I love having Kerry’s voice in my head because it reminds me all the time, that it's okay to rewrite the story. And thank goodness for that man of yours. It's not every one of us who can light a car on fire.
 
CONNIE  29:26  He's directly from like a storybook. I swear. I mean, in so many ways. He's a keeper, for sure. He, he loves when he sees people who heard the story because they're like, Oh, you're The One you're like, yeah, he's like, Oh, is this The One like when they meet him or they, you know, recognize me from That's What She Said, and I'll be with him and I was like, This is my husband and like, you're The One so he was he? He like he has a love hate relationship with me calling him The One because now he's just being referenced as The One because of the story I wanted to talk about him my entire story and it was you so it was like, no this he's a part of your story because he's just he's so great
 
KERRY  30:06  and now he's a celebrity a default he's a celebrity
 
CONNIE  30:10  a default celebrity. Exactly.
 
JENETTE  30:13  BLONO famous.
 
CONNIE  30:14  Yeah, for sure.
 
JENETTE  30:15  We say that here we say you’re CU Famous.
 
CONNIE  30:18  Yeah. 
 
JENETTE  30:21  So anything which can just be taken in so many ways. But NO YOU ARE YOU TO KNOW you is to love you like you are just joy and light and brilliance all wrapped up in the most beautiful package. Getting to know you and The One and even your daughter because she went through the teen program and I got to spend some time with her. Like it's just been amazing getting to, you know, have the experience. The Connie Blick experience. Yeah. And your theatre company is called the Nomad Theatre. Right? If people want information on your theater, where could they find it?
 
CONNIE  30:54  Find it at [url=https://nomadtheatre.org]https://nomadtheatre.org[/url] This is our first full season. So we're really excited. We have like seven projects in store this year. So very busy juggling motherhood, a full time job and a nonprofit. But
 
KERRY  31:07  You guys are the same person.
 
CONNIE  31:09  Huh?
 
KERRY  31:09  I said you guys are the same person.
 
CONNIE  31:11  Yeah, right. Exactly.
 
JENETTE  31:13  You have a lot of we get each other. And that woman who inspired you, Sonja Mau, who was in your cast, you cannot get rid of Sonja, when she's in your life. We talk regularly, she is the biggest cheerleader, she always has ideas to, you know, to help you make your dreams come true. She's powerful, she is incredible. I mean,
 
CONNIE BLICK  31:33  and just those few words from her that just her saying like go for it because she could just tell the passion, you know, and just said, you know, the community deserves this, the community deserves your idea. And to hear that something so simple that she said, you know, and just really inspired me so much. And she's been so supportive of this and just yeah, she's, she's amazing.
 
JENETTE  31:53  And The She Said family is growing. I gotta tell you, I have so enjoyed the Bloomington community and the women that I've met there. It has been an absolute joy, an absolute joy, presenting the show to that community and, and working with the women there.
 
CONNIE  32:06  It really is a sisterhood, you create such a supportive environment through the whole process. In the beginning, you're like, sure, sure. That's What She Said, Sister, okay, you know what I mean. But by the end of it, it's like, yes, like you are a part of this and something so special, because you, you know, there's so much vulnerability in one room and you just feel so connected to these women from your year and even the years before, like, it's just, it's so amazing. So just really, thank you for letting me be a part of it.
 
JENETTE  32:35  When you know, you know moments like yeah, see when you've been on other stages, and there's, you know, you given the wink you're like when you know, you know,
 
CONNIE  32:42  yeah, and you don't know what they're talking about until you experience it, you know that really yeah, this is something huge and major and it really did change my life. I mean, I just felt so connected to so many people through it and you know, catapulted me and inspired me to kind of continue with my passions so
 
JENETTE  33:00  and now you get to go out and inspire others to be creative to perform and unique places and you're building something from the ground up you are creating and like that is that is passion right there. So I'm so proud of you I'm so proud to know you I'm so grateful that you shared your story on The She Said stage in Bloomington-Normal and we're just we're gonna keep it going. We're gonna we're gonna grow we're gonna do more shows. We love checking in with the ladies and our new friends on the podcast because we get to learn more and grow more together. So I want to thank our friends and our listeners and our supporters. I want to thank Sterling Wealth Management and Carle and Health Alliance for supporting our podcast through the years and our partners in crime Illinois Public Media. I want to thank Kerry Rossow who in her busy life makes time to show up because it's important and it's it's fun and important
 
KERRY  33:53  …and this is a this is a an easy show up this is this is so much fun! Thank you.
 
JENETTE  33:58  So thanks to everybody! We appreciate you here on The She Said Project Podcast 

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