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5 years ago

arrests in Illinois connected to methamphetamines were as Lois it ever been

this year silverdaddies expected number of arrests in Statesville double time out

nationally meth usage down but its on the rise in East Central

central Illinois state’s rate of meth lab seizures is among the highest in the country

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post about something about meth from TV shows like breaking bad

what a day on focus will find out a little bit more from my colposcopy

recovering meth addict Coles County criminologist round one shot

Illinois State University Angie Meadows pizza Spokane WA

program continues after the news welcome to

welcome to focus on Jim Meadows methanphetamine is the illicit drug

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that uses of other related drugs look down on and laws in Illinois make it harder to gether

ingredients needed to make it never the less law enforcement officials reporting

increase in meth lab seizures and arrests in the state in east central

central Illinois the most arrests by 4 have occurred in Vermilion County today on Fox

focus we going to find out more about meth trafficking in Illinois from a criminologist

just use me to study of Miss trafficking and from a former meth user

ologist is Ralph oneshot distinguished professor of criminal justice at Illinois State

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State University of normal and the professor Weisheit welcome to focus thank you

and join me on the phone is Michael Passley of Mattoon he’s a recovering meth addict

who’s not working on putting his life back together Michael welcome to focus

Michael R Us  okay thanks

thank you for being on the program today you’re welcome Michael can you

you tell me about when you started using drugs

Maya early like teen years  what what drugs were

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drugs what drugs did you start with a alcohol in a pot

early early teen years old how old are you now 35 when

when was the first time you first use math uh route 20

what why did you go from the other drugs for using over to Mass

I was more readily available cheaper K

what did you like about it how to make you feel the speed

um I was able to do more things I was the it longer Cox Mohr

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more things that was doing time okay um have you heard anything

any bad things about it before you before you tried it

know when your in when you’re an addiction you really hear bad things about

about drugs affect people get in trouble for smoking a hookah

what is how did how did you first of a cross it mean to induce de Tulear

I had some uh uh

okay well if any of this is for miliarty you if you are someone close to you

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um I was wondering  how did your how did your you

how to use evolve did you is there such a thing is going from light to heavy use of this stuff

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yeah it started out as a socially uh Party internet

became you no longer and Sedition came or base by the

was it you know used for friends and people you knew who gave it

give it to you for your bonnet  um at first I was buying it

that I got introduced on how to how to make it so I don’t have to buy Danny Moore ok

how complicated is is is making meth not at all

not complicated at all and um I don’t know we want to go

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was there a difficulty I know there been lositive comin trying to restrict

the sum of the ingredients was was it difficult of the find the ingredients to add to make it

make it at first it was it was a everything was really available

um and then over the years they put in laws against uh

the buying of the dust settles ok and sew

essentially you can’t go when you buy a whole bunch of sudafed pills anymore not anymore

can’t no sir so so so did you find a way to get around that

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years after yesterday are ways around it ok um

how are you in just in the drug  at first startup

snorting and smoking it and then after your address to became F

sleep  I’m sorry but we’re getting a little break up on your cell phone

snorting and smoking and then you moved on to another way yeah interveniously

intravenously and it was was that just because it was it was was it faster with it

what’s the temperature  cyst

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text that I had moved up and how to do it

ok does is is this a center drug worthy em whereas

as you use it more often you need a little more of it to get the same set of impact

yes after certain time period of staying at multiple days at a time yes you have to

I have to do you have to do more to get the same effect okay now

Michael you understand you were not using meth all the time it first aid youjizz

you’re just really Justice certain times when you have a lot of free time

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yeah I was up when I was working out I work construction I work today from 9 to 10 months

what year and I wasn’t able to two of maintain that addiction

but when I would get laid off in the winter time it was a hundred miles an hour just about anywhere with you

take me to was so you could you could move in and out

can i from times when you did not feel the need the time so you definitely did I just

just had to have some sort of stuff control if I if that’s

that’s if that’s possible times where did trickle over into my pears

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ok was there a moment when you knew you were addicted menu

good actually said yourself I’m addicted to methamphetamine yeah April 5th

2010 why was the manufacturing methamphetamine I knew that I had a problem when you were

you are arrested you say yes okay an even before then YouTube

you you you you you would not have describe yourself as a meth addict

no not really Santa Claus many problems

just the nature of addiction okay you filled your your your phone

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felt that you were coping you were you were you in your working when you need when you were able to work

working at SoDo saying yes okay I want to I want to pull over and talk

talk to Professor WI shot for a moment and um  is is

is a is is Michaela a typical consumer and in terms of people use meth

Smith does is a pattern to recognize its not unusual pattern doll

does an image in the public’s mind I think that someone tries meth once

once and immediately they spin out of control and that’s not usually how it works usually people

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people build up to it NFL does the problem level Commons

common for a lot of drugs are addictive drugs and meth is a little different than

and some other drugs in that it is a stimulant and so I can actually be helpful if you

if you have a lot of things to do you have a more things when you have time

time for metal give you energy and it has a practical application bad

that is very seductive for people Michael did you have a feeling

good feeling of times do you felt you were functioning better with with the message use

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yeah for a million 24 hours in a day

today normal person needs to have 8 hours of sleep but when you’re under the influence of meth in fed

feels like that there are times there a hundred dollars in a day there’s nothing to eat

that you can get done and get it cost okay now you started cooking meth and you learned it from

did from other other people around this far as I guess the community of people who used

used in Coles County what what’s a group was that

um actually I didn’t learn how to cook it in the end the in this area to another area

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um  a question well I’m just

I’m just wondering you can you can you can watch a lot of movies and TV shows about drug addiction

and um it can be if it can be pretty scary did you feel you were a month

scary people when you were when you were learning about cooking meth

the people that I had been raised with my whole life they weren’t scary

movies with people you grew up with went to school with yes and

but but but all of you well I guess not every single one of you work

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the word work but your grown up butter butter butter fly to you have come across this truck

yes okay how to wake people it is not this earth

things that you can look up an encyclopedia where people learn tips on a non doing this

doing this thing is specially is the laws made it tougher unspoken

Spoken recipes in her hand down over generations of time there’s thousand ways to make the

make the drug now we we we hear about things about the dangers of

is off of making mass of meth lab explosions in and risks when you when you

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when you do the same thing did did you talk with with other folks we’re cooking meth about

about what to do what not to do did you take certain precautions there are

are there yesterday dangers with the with making this up with this stuff

this stuff and there are some do’s and don’ts and some of cardinal rules you are absolutely

absolutely not allowed to a to engage in to make yourself

self safe and uh we all pretty much knew that if this happened this is what you doing

you know um  fire need oxygen

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oxygen there will be no fire okay so you know the least

these were your friends justice twists was essentially your community friends and family at the time you

signs you were using meth and you say that since 2010 when you are arrested

Arrested you for you for you have to walk away from all that

what’s a difficult know I was the most physically mentally just

just drained and I was willing and able to do anything that I possibly have to do to get out of that

lifestyle ok and a bike bike that point

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you were ready I’m wondering um you say I wasn’t real

really until you were arrested that you felt you needed to make a change

yeah I was the charge with a 2 super class X felony is into class 216

term a pretty much know that I had a problem when I was sitting in jail

mi bon was is high is it was and the charges that that word

heard that I would probably spend the rest of my life behind bars okay you win

who went through I take it the the drug court system for on currently in

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lien road in the Coles County Drug Court program yes okay I 10 and how does that work

work what does that work for you and your case um it is the

is okay there are some ups and downs to it um its ever

structured and it is a very fellowship oriented

there’s some people in drug court we are family

help each other when I were falling behind and uh just live

live sober living and the try to get past a car

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are demons and I move on to a better life for this is focus on Jim Meadows Way

does were talking today about meth usage in Illinois with Michael pass away is recovering

covering meth addict in Coles County also with criminologist round fly side of Illinois

State University of Michael if you can hold on the phone I just wanted to ask if you

if you questions for Professor one side um we’re seeing report

reports here and we have a and we have sores on our Aaron dumb

and um  land on our website about uh

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in increase in Indian Masteron mass production certainly methlabs

Caesars in arrests in this area is that something that you been seeing over the past

the past few years this kind of things can 11 flow but one

one of the things very different is that you’re seeing a growing number

number of labs a really small abscess cold one pot method where is made in

made in a 2 liter bottle or less and so the disc

the scale of the slabs is binge drinking because it’s been harder to get the

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better pills are needed to spin harder to get them high dress with these small

no one pot method you can make a small batch of meth with

fewer pills you don’t need to get in high dress you can buy cold packs from

Pharmacy um affect its serve at a strange thing

changeling for many people did CVS has announced that you will not have

not have to show an ID to buy nail polish remover and you might wonder why in the world

the world with nail polish remover be something for what you need an ID will the solvent

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and in the old days with larger labs would you something like Almond fuel

but with these little small labs they can use against dollar amount taken

take the contents of cold packs instead of getting in Hydra simonia they can use milk

nail polish remover instead of buying gallons of Coleman fuel so um

is it what if we see numbers going up right now

are these is the really more eddies and eddies in currents within a larger pan

your pattern Razr or is there some change happening now in Matthews

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use this region unfortunately that’s one of those things were only time will tell you its

hindsight is always great with the sorts of things umm I’ll be there is a concern

no one of the things its worth noting here is it we tend to

to f*** is on meth because of the seizure of labs at bat assumes that

is it meth hasn’t been around isn’t a drug or was I think one of the real

real concerns long term will be if we successfully squash

meth production domestically locally you’re going to see an increase in math distributive

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Fusion from Mexican drug cartels and then you’re going to see

the violence and crime associated with the business of drugs

because usually you don’t see a lot of crime with the small labs you don’t feel like there’s no 5

fighting over turf frequently the guy that the labs are producing

who sing this message without a lot of cash Trading hands people barter

and so that the level of violence is relatively low end with the exception of

captain of domestic violence ok Michael I wonder if I could ask you in your

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in your experience in of course I know your experience and didn’t 2010

um what is there medicine in your community coming in from outside of was it

what is it to essentially product to people cooked up on their own  ia

I don’t does becoming for many out side uh uh

influences I’m sure there probably was but it is full of people that I was in a band

what worried about other places

why I am sure that the probably was was there was was

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was there a lot of organized dealing of mass of words it or was it a level

Levolor everybody was pretty much making their own stuff um I didn’t really

really know of too many not from here I just gotta move

mugeres got dropped in dropping the Aryan started doing my own thing and the after

after a shower after about 10 months of doing it on my own I was a state

stepped on that I was arrested okay so um

Brown from wandering event that that sounds like something along

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off of the old pad you seen off of meth manufacturing usage distribution

people are pretty much making it on on their own and not the sort of working

organize dealing were the conflicts at Lido the violence yeah I’m not sick

Justin that bad organize the dealings having some connections to Mexico

Mexican cartels Justin thats here now voice not not an Illinois Central

central Illinois Justin however the the extent were able to squash

watch these small labs we have to be concerned about the the transition

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fish into that kind of the market and remember that just because you get rid of flab

flabs doesn’t mean you get rid of people’s desire for the drug okay you win

you were telling me a little bit about the history of methamphetamine about how its it actually

started like c** a lot of drugs that are not you legally considered very dangerous

as an over the counter medication absolutely it started as a teenager

nasal decongestant people abort nasal inhalers and used it for

for as my mother in hay fever no other kinds of the breathing conditions

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and even now it’s a sin to eat a controlled substance but it does still have

still have a legitimate or lease to form of methamphetamine has a legitimate pharmaceutical

use a lot of people don’t realize that they assume that messes

is instantly addictive that it’s dangerous and cannot be used safely

the reality is the methamphetamine is was called the schedule 2 drug

which means a doctors can prescribe it and they do and their three condition

ambitions for which you can be prescribed at one of them is narcolepsy

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what’s the word people fall asleep intersection mother driving down the road

a very dangerous condition and methamphetamine help you stay awake

another condition is extreme obesity I’m talking about obesity to the point

point that your health is in danger and finally we can give methamphetamine to children

14 attention deficit disorder not the first drug test turn to that typically

epicly Dexedrine and then followed by ritalin but there are some

some cases where children are given math for attention deficit

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and those cases its is true that you don’t see a lot of problems emerge

because the doses are controlled unlimited okay um and soul

and so the dosage that you that you that you have in legal Matthews

how does it compare to weather to what does someone is taking Madera

cooking up their own the problem with people who use recreationally is there

there’s nothing to stop them from increasing the dos and the thing about metal

methamphetamine that makes it different from a lot of other drugs but it similar to

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where to stimulants like cocaine is it methamphetamine make you feel really good

and you don’t want to stop feeling really good but the thing about math

what math is the higher you get in terms of your feeling the better you feel when your using it

using it the worse you feel when it wears off and you know when you feel bad

the best way to feel good again is to use more map Michael was was that

that’s your experience the difference between how you felt when you were using mass and how you

how you felt in between times ia a done

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cocaine in the past is well and down off of it cheating but the comedown

down off of meth amphetamine is completely different just for myself

I would stay up 78 Oscar and when I got tired

tired of being up for whatever I can pull myself off of it I sleep for

45 days get up and start all over again now if your if you’re up for 7 or 8

aretes that means you’re you’re taking continue doses of meth

depends on how I was doing if I was snorting adderall was smoking it you know yet

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yes um continuous use but when I got into the interveniously part of it I would

why would I usually take 304 healthy shots today and to get myself

today was that something you disgust with you know with other friends and people

people you knew you were using meth without a appointed discussion what’s up what’s the proper DOS

where does so what’s up what’s up what’s a safe dose no just do it you know it

don’t sit down and have a discussion

just use it ok and and and round that she was saying

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saying does it mean if if if if if you’re not paying close attention bulldog

will dosage is 10 to go up over time sure because of what call tolerance where it takes

it takes more to get the same effect and mad at me

everyone escalates are people who are able to use in a controlled way

the problem is we don’t know in advance to those people are we don’t know who does people are who

are who we lose control ok is methanol timidly a toxic drug

Middle East in the way its used are do people die every directly are there

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are there there’s just side effects ed that uh just General

the great Hills dying from meth is unusual unlike

heroin with slow the body down to the poor alcohol is close to body down to the point that a check

shutdown methamphetamine speeds body up in the biggest risk

of harm is heart attack or heat stroke or suicide

suicide in and suicide would follow coming down when you’re feeling this depression

Michael when you were using did you notice any

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of physical health affects from method did you only notice

note is the the good feeling um I never really noticed any effect

sex while I was using b*** after after I did get cleaned out I didn’t know

did notice some long term effects that I was notable OK

gay c** just one and what what what sort of long term

term effects have you seen my sleeping disorders were

we’re not normal my eating schedules were not normal of my thigh

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my thought in my thoughts and actions words or normal

hide a developed the

paranoia after the fact you know I thought

everybody to get me in the head just

what is it normal like I could have been ran over in

chaton over again

186 told your joints your muscles and I

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why was I in Pretty Fortunato 35 years old all of my teeth

my teeth are some people over the years that they have what they called meth mouth

33 rotten I am pretty SportsNet that I uh I didn’t

the sleeping disorders Demi do you have

you have trouble sleeping through the night now are ours I don’t sleep all the way through

through if I get up of what you want to say

say exile and sometimes I won’t go to sleep till

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1112 2 o’clock in the morning other times when I get really tired

tired at 830 tonight depending on a pretty much have to wear myself down throughout the

today in order to go to our way just seems like I’m just running

100 hour my whole life and my body’s use to just wear it

black working through out the day I noticed if you know now that I’m not working

working gear in the last 3 weeks am i sleeping patterns RNA are not normal

okay I was thinking back to what you would say about being up for a 44

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for rent in 7 days straight under the under the influence is that the long

the longest you have been up to Ginny Weasley know the longest ride ever been up to

22 days what is that like

Metta World lots of lucid nations paranoid

umm you don’t associate yourself in public

use to clean yourself elation

okay now I’m I’m just I’m just a little curious year because your

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does your telling me that certainly um this this truck feels good witch’s WI

you were taking it for the time that you did but those server facts of being up

being up continuously don’t sound exactly Plaza  um well

well now that I look back on it and it doesn’t seem Pleasant b***

b*** and through my addiction a that was what I wanted to do

throw the earth rap years I’ve messed with HughesNet Gen X

and I like speed so when you stay up a number matter day is on methamphetamine

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it’s like a two for one you know you get to hallucinate your speeding

and that was just something that I enjoyed okay well we’re going to take a shower

take a short break here and we will be back in a moment with more about a message

Edmunds in central Illinois Hiiraan focus on wyll

Rebecca focus in WY LMG Meadows my guess

guests are Michael Passley he is a former meth user living in Mattoon

toon he has not been using mats for about 3 years now professor Ralph washer

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is a criminologist at Illinois State University is made of study of meth

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I was wondering time does Asda to the degree

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the greens at you can say this about the drug use does does methamphetamine have a Democrat

graphic is there a demographic profile of the typical meth user are

where are the are the demographics of the center of population with meth users are found

found most likely well in the Midwest is the primary

primarily white it is primarily rural you don’t see math is a street drug in

Chicago not yet at some point you likely will but you don’t see it yet it is

what is a drug generally that um more men than women use it

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use it but the percent of meth users for women is higher than the percent

sent off other drug users who are women so it has an appeal to women

um more so than appears to be true for any other drugs

okay um any other particular in a subculture Zeds Dead

what were meth users found well the old days I used to talk about biker gang

all that bit people really talk about that much anymore um I don’t think you can

you can really talk about that after being subcultures in the Midwest lease

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least beyond what I just described if you go out to the West it’s an enormous

problem in the Native American tribes is enormous problem with these

the Spanish population in the Midwest ear tends to primarily be white

rural hum not necessarily

Lioele of communities but its not a condition related to poverty

okay I had red things about meth use and I just don’t know if there’s anything above

above other levels for incense in gay club culture or something like that is that

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is that an area where a Mathews is found more than other places

what Lee if you look at the way method is used in the country you don’t find me

find meth is a street drug in New York City you don’t find it in Chicago is a street drug

drug police not yet and if you talk to police Adele say no we don’t really

don’t really have meth but methods actually rather popular as a party drug in the gay community

gay community in gay clubs but the people go to gay clubs on top doing good

doing drug dealing on the street or not out getting arrested and so there under the radar

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radar for the police about we know for for my interviews with a narcotic

products of Ceres in Nashville go in New York in Washington DC in

in Boston that Mexican cartels who supplied to cook

the cocaine in the cities have been trying to get their they’re distributors tube

is to distribute methamphetamine I so far without much luck so I suspect you see it

will see you in the cities in in the Midwest eventually you do in the West Coast Plaza

what I think you will eventually seating cities in Illinois for example

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the thing that they’re trying to introduce it but they haven’t had much success um

feeling of Leon nakedly capitalistic here come the computer on price window

when does a drug like this is home made in somebody Kansas well

is not homemade so much in the largest cities in part because the odor

is there goes on with cooking makes it a and natural drug to produce in rural areas were

is where the smell can drift away before its to take to buy others

I fink for Mexican traffickers the appeal is that they can control the entire production process

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process unlike cocaine where they are dependent on South America to supply the cookie

the cocaine and they simply moving through with methamphetamine a control everything

so there’s really as as a business there’s a real economic incentive for the

for the Mexican traffickers to move to math and away from cocaine

you know im in this is a question of let me ask you first Michael out if there’s one

does one pop culture a picture of methamphetamine use out there Delilah

a lot of people know about I was thinking would be the TV show Breaking Bad

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is that have you seen that show and is it anything like

like the experiences that you knew what the people you knew when you were using meth

um not not really maybe the Early Show

show I’ve seen in a couple episodes I did see the first when I did see the last

last episode what is FRS you know wat is like that

like that around here I don’t believe so that was when did the TV

TV show was that use more of a there was more big time meth production in traffic

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trafficking in that show them what you are experiencing TV show

Ann Dowd Ralph the same thing you know is it

did the shows like this are they in any way a picture of you know an accurate picture of Matthew cinema

America in America as a whole know but you know the show is cited

cited in New Mexico on the border and off

some of the things in there the chemistry is is basically right

what’s wrong about the show is the level of violence within the

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in the US connected to the business there a level of violence depicted in the show

who is actually really pretty accurate if you were a cross the border in Mexico

but the violence in the show is is pretty much exactly a rated R one to get across

across the border into the US but a lot of the elements of the show

show your pretty accurate for that part of the country for that part of the country Mike

Michael I was 18 can you tell me about your experiences after your

do your breast and what it was like getting off of meth

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um I like I said I was arrested I said in jail for

oenotri months and I’m coming down was the mayor of motion roller coaster

coaster um I was granted the the option of

when is going to treatment and getting clean and to start a new life

after I got a treatment um if I really wasn’t as difficult

cold as ice anticipated to us to get clean and sober I like I said

said I was more than willing and and and and ready to do anything today it’s just me

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okay you know I was wondering you know I hear about when somebody else

how to get off say hello in there things like methadone um is there anything like

think like that Indian in the Indian in the process of getting off of meth

um I was the I was in custody so uh

my drying out was the much force upon me you know I

I wasn’t able to run out and go cook a batch dope because I was

I was coming down I was I was in a secure environment and the pretty much

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whats the fastest way from everything that’s what I needed at that time you know

how long did how long did it take for you for your your your body

body to shake of the of the sake of the craving

the craving was pretty much gone when I got arrested but the

after affects you know quite some time I buy red study 1

31 times at the day after effects of meth last up to 2 years

there was some things that did that I didn’t curve that were the world long lasting

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like I said my sleeping my eating and the sum of my normal

thought process well its its been 3 years now if it up

can can can you can you tell the difference between them

maybe the first year were to definitely

my life is the more manageable its not its not a world

whirlwind its not kaotic I have a structure

structured living that I do and I it’s just a

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you know I know that when I go to bed of a more of a night you know I’m going to get up

how to get up the next morning if I do the same thing is a prior there’s a really good chance I’m not going

not going to get up and make mass dumass drink or do any sort of a

kind of drugs you went into a treatment program after your

you know after you after your body detox to sew to speak what was the Treaty

is the treatment program about in what’s the things that you doing that

Hedley structured I had to get up early in the morning and do

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meditation chores set down in a day

dining area at a table with other addicts

I was in a residential treatment for number of days

and I was rude successfully discharge from there and then I move to a 3

three quarter house and was a little bit more leeway 2

degrade myself back into a community get a job

try to just get back on track so you’re working now

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yes I am okay are you doing the same center construction work you were before

or or something different no of being in the drug court program

Coles County IL I’m kind of limited on the kind of work that I do

I was the vault in the labors Union before and

pretty much travel all over the place and now being involved with the drug court program

where am I not able to travel to buy 8:30 in the morning I have to call in

call and see if my color is is drawn to where I have to go drop off

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periodically through the week there are there are groups that I am

entitled to go to there are meeting st I’m entitled to go to uh right now

right now I have to appear once once a week at the drug court

drug court on Thursdays requirement of drug court

so its it’s pretty much truck shirts and that and that is good because of

because of you know running 100 miles an hour for many years I did I didn’t have any structure what’s

whatsoever so ungrateful to be a um um

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involved in drug court program it is definitely save my life and I as allowed

how to turn my life around to live like a normal human being rather than some

drug addicted freak so you’re not able to do the work you were doing

where do in what what sort of work are you doing now I’m a mechanic for

for an outfit the Charleston okay so to set a job that keeps you

you don’t have to travel for no sir I’m I’m with in about a 2000

minutes from walking for my front door to a friend or where I work at

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I am struck by the by the by there by the contrast because

because it sounds like what u what was the sighting about using meth

what was that rush and just dumb

just all these things happening all that once  now it’s what you what you

what you what you what your bracing is is routine in something that Prince when you were you

using meth you would have just what is considered a terrible way to live yes

yes I’m in my early recovery I made myself a promise to 5

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if I put as much work and involvement as I did too runny

running a hundred miles an hour as I say not as I do with it to my recovery and put that much

that much work into it that I should be ok if its it’s a sin

the daily if its a lot of work and you know it

when I got clean and sober that you know everything was going to be butterflies and you know it

sunrises and sunsets you know what is in some aspect don’t have me

near the chaotic crap going on in my life but I do have problems going on

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my life now but I’m able to come I’m able to Maine

maintain it without having to run in the use drugs and alcohol now

NOK you have to walk away from a whole group of friends and associates

Super using math who you hang around with now

everyone thats in recovery um I don’t hang around with those type of people anymore

as you know when when you’re involved with that kind of world do you know you think you have

you have friends you know but when when you get in trouble you find out who your friends really are really the only

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only friends that that that start with P where my family

the way for many years I have a health dept

program my family is the ocean

around now you know I don’t have any desire to hang around people the more you know

are doing what I’m doing and they and I’m not doing the 30 really have a kid

okay we’re getting just a little bit of telephone break up I don’t know if you have

if you have any control over that up there but I do want to remind listeners we are talking about

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issues involving of methamphetamine use we are talking with a former user

user Michael up Michael Passman of a map to excuse me Michael Penn

Michael Passley of Mattoon and also talking with a criminologist at Illinois State University

city of normal Ralph a one shot who has made a study of a

official surrounding message trafficking and use still time to get your questions

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yes actually for both your cats

ok I like the first congratulate your guts to hang Strawn

recovery epicly since I’m from a generation that knows all to him

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internet weigh on a truck Houston of you spell question I have essential

that’s what you get steel about um a beta particle

legalization of drugs in the mall so I thought

what does the professor in particular should be the proper

proper criminal justice approach

okay um Peter thank you very much and I’ll tell me Ralph

how you know a specially or especially at a time win loss about marijuana

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changing a very different drum for methamphetamines but what do you think is a criminologist

logist is the best approach a torch could a toy Smith and fat

another drugs I wish I had a great answer to that um

it’s in my mind clearly a drug for which legalization just doesn’t make any sense

seance on the other hand is not clear that really brutal hearts punishment

make a lot of sense I do think things like the drug court are extreme

extremely you spell extremely valuable I do think there’s a difference between using

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using meth and making meth I think of the manufacture meth is a dangerous active

activity and there should be a should be in is a different level of punishment for that

um but I don’t think legalization really makes any sense

for most of these drugs in and I will say I do see marijuana

as an exception of early for medical use and I think it’s important

import into separate marijuana from the other drugs for medical use at least

Michael you’re someone whos really been to the system on this looking at it

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looking at now as a former user 018 what are your feelings to a house

how to side should approach math  um

believe that they should probably help out people that are good

do they have the right pro Shana

minimize or exclude the buying and selling of a the

the hills but like I said before there a thousand thousand waves making meth

legalizing

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lighting it is absolutely absurd and uh it’s something doesn’t

okay it sounds like drug court was was was really a god

send for you um how many meth users get it

get to the point where the ready to do the work that essentially drug court require something

um that’s that’s hard to say because I eat in visual is different you know you

pretty much have to get to point word you’re done you know and you know for me to say when

say when that person is Donner when a person says they’re done it all goes by action you know actions speak

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speak louder than words you know I mean I’ve been up I’ve been able to stay away from

drug you know its a daily the daily reprieve in others think that I have to do

do to maintain my sobriety you know um and I said I’m very truly grateful

grateful for the word has 80 turn the lights out

I believe that I believe that there are other account

should I do it you know it gives up give us a addicts another

another a chance to live inside you rather than just walk away in prison for

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for people to Twitter the recipes I hang around with other

cooks and I figure out what they did wrong so you get out of a kid

difference where they don’t get caught smoking and we have an email in from Dane anime

and I’m wondering around my side effects if 15 is is is

is pointing to questions about the criminalizing marijuana

send message to produce one person is figured out how to make it potentially listing

less dangerous drugs were more accessible would people turn to meth less often

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is there any way to answer that question that is no way to answer that question but I suspect

fact that it would make that much difference quite frankly okay there’s a fire

is a follow up question from dainty have any thoughts on the connection between off of

the war on if I think there’s a type of here but I think you meant to write the war on

war on drugs and the rise of myth  um did people

people for Brampton people trying to Matthews because of

because other drugs become more difficult to obtain

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the question I can’t directly answer but I can say this that if you look package store glee

we tend as it as a society to go to cycles of steam

stimulant drugs followed by narcotics using rise now of heroin use

who’s that was something that was very predictable people shift from one form

form of from one type of stimulation to another and heroin use is likely to

Glee to continue to be an issue to increase and over a period of the decade

will switch back to increasing use a stimulant it’s a pattern is happy

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is happened over and over so if you’re going to Herriman now they may be going more at some point in time

time to stimulants such as methamphetamine buy some point in time I’m referring probably today

Decatur two decades but its in the long-term trends or go back and forth between

between these and it makes something sweet and have a short memory we forget about all the

all the problems the drug created that was used 20 years ago

in different states have different laws odds trying to block

send fed min I think it’s Mississippi in Oregon which is made of peoples Federal containing drugs

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drugs prescription drugs um here in Illinois

the limit how much does a federal you can buy a time um do all these have work

workaround for a dedicated the future um the the limit

the limit on how much you can buy certainly have workarounds the prescription is harder to work around

around but I would point out that for many people who abuse drugs

the use the drug that is available and so if you take away methamphetamine

mean it doesn’t mean you stop drug abuse it means that individuals likely to shift

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1500 drug in in the challenge always is to figure out a way to

minimize harm from drugs I will I get to the minute we have

we have left my Michael I want to turn back to you and it sounds like you’ve you’ve made

who made a lot of progress in your life is just in the last few years being off of methamphetamine

what are your plans what are your hopes for the future

they don’t how to make too many goals because

asceticism daytoday you know but like I said to you know if I was long

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long as I do what I did yesterday BBT

is well of another thing to know if its an epidemic just like in

the early 90’s it was crack cocaine out now

now its not as big as it was before you know and now it now heroin an hour

LLL Christmas really hard it’s really hard to predict what will be the next drug

you know uh I just I just know that umm

hi I’m very grateful for being loud is chance to two terms

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turn my life around  ijust a state

Stateline sober and live this life I know what the life let me know

lot of trouble whats prison time of this is an epiphany and I’m not sure

not sure we’re leaving streaks at work where I can go with it

what my capacity of a certainly the best of the best of luck to you now in the future

future Michael Passley is in Mattoon

who is a former user of math and Men accent

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accent on the former there and Ralph what size is a criminologist a professor at

Illinois State University in normal and I want to thank you for being on the program

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