Addressing the Digital Divide in East St. Louis

                                    
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this morning in this our focus we will return to Atmos ups do we talk to Ben about 

and it’s something that is often referred to by the shorthand phrase the digital divide 

hide the fact that if you take a look at who it is that has computers uses 

this computer is involved with the Internet it tends to be more middle and upper 

upper income fox and not so much people on the lower end of the skipper haps for obvious reasons 

computers can be a little expensive and you gotta pay for internet access 

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accessing not everyone has that kind of money we will be talking this morning 

who were involved in a program actually is a program here in in our area in Champaign 

Champaign Urbana but also in East St Louis to try to provide computers 

Peters and internet access in some training to lower income people who otherwise 

wouldn’t be able to do that we have 3 guest hair with a sentence 

Martin whisky and Paul Adams from Prairie net which is the community computing network 

work here in the Champaign Urbana that has it home in the library skull 

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I had also Parkey George he is Professor Urban and Regional Planning 

and is also the interim director of the East St Louis action research project 

and as we talk you’re certainly welcome to Webkinz coffee have questions or comments 

we like to participate in the show anyway 333 will 494 

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thank you very much! Just me and maybe for anybody who doesn’t know what 

what Prairie net is why don’t we just talked about that for a moment 

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what is bright now all about as you mention pregnat say a community computer 

computer network we found at the graduate school library information science back in 93 

83 we are served as the first ISPs Internet service providers in the sky 

in this community and Dives Cincinnati 3 Wii 5 extended the 

the types of services that we make available to the community we host 

websites have boats and boards email 

will supply training we work a very closely with the Urban League in other groups 

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groups in the community to provide training for to low income individuals 

and when we get donations we recycle computers in Tekkit 

do I get them out to the community we also I provide technical assistance 

four organizations that would like to have a web presence or wood 

would like to purchase computers to El Patron activities 

that is well okay then tobyturne professor Georgian Inn have you talked a little bit about the 

about the East St Louis action research project Alabama 

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universities being associated with CV St Louis since 1987 

1990 that became the St Louis action research project 

Amanda Scott raped by two rather unique approaches to dealing with community 

community one is reaction to reset wifi work on building scholarship 

ship not separate from communities we don’t eat these places celeb 

DeBarge you that we going steady would rather we work with the people in the US in the neighborhood 

neighborhoods in the community how to generate knowledge as a nice because it is 

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is service learning do we have number of course is a concluding the 

recent one in a lab information sciences with students who work on you 

open university courses for acne are involved in community projects with a 

where they work with community in exchange for the knowledge gained from the community 

do the back some kind of a service project rebuild in the neighborhood f*** could be rebuilding 

Community Church it could be installed in computers 

Indian Community Technology Center so we have a range of things 

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its been dead its been in existence 

1990 in that phone but you had 

associate with the St Louis since 1987 I get it in your involvement 

then with the pregnat folks can because people that you were working with an e St Louis 

said we need computers and we need machinery we need hardware 

we need training we need help because we think this would be a really important develop community development 

they said that to you and then you paid lateset Wilde pregnant 

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have done this year in Champaign Urbana expertise that’s all 

they became involved in the world 

Cuban engaged and using the Internet and web based resources for delivery 

information to that’s the way we connect our selves with the community because 180 miles away 

no that was in a bit music coming up here we all got interested 

interested in that we did a lot of web based web based information delivery 

at some point the red eyes though that we would delivering information 

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who was in the capacity of the community to receive information with finding out 

and we did try in several instances to set up small technology centers 

computer that’s been realized we don’t really have the expertise 

what to do that kind of kind of what and that’s when 

last year and then then then the blood 

describe it in this list with lyrics what’s up what’s are the things have you been 

your brain at guys doing their panties 

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as we start looking at this is a possibility that it quickly became apparent 

apparent that we were going to have to bring in a lot of resources to trade a refurbished computers to build 

Labs a lot of what we do naturally but it does take a lot of human 

human powered to work with that especially with the donated computers we get that have to be tested 

tested and refurbished when we were looking at this last summer it quickly became 

who became apparent that a course I teach a introduction to network information systems 

had all the people power we need it and we realize we could take me 

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3340 student that were in that class use them to help us 

do the work I modify the Corsa that their final project 

would be setting up for different labs within the East St Louis Community 

the student then we had received a donation of computers 

computers from team technologies up in Chicago and they 

they had given us 220 hundred thirty computers 

to work with we’re going to shoot for having four laps of 10 to 15 

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15 computers are cells so we need 60 working computers we had to 

the students work through the semester can a beating up computers finding all their flaws what wasn’t working 

king of all the hundred twenty computers we have donated we manage to get 

almost exactly 60 working once out of the package 

what the computers they took to trip south east Saint Louis the first one 

party was mentioning its more than just doing it and dropping it off 

coffin saying there you go this is what we came up with we actually made the first visit 

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is it all the students looked at the site of doing step down 

spoke with all the people who would be receiving it found out what sort of interest 

first day had what they were going to be trying to do with the computers and then the students custom tail 

Taylor to computers taxi service needs the second trip then was the actual 

actually deliver the computers and set them up we have thin steak in a few other students out 

salt on a couple different visits to fine tune some of what was out there to add some capability 

abilities like Internet access so the whole app to have internet access 

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and we’re not developing a training manual for help the sights mean 

lights maintain the computers and do basic troubleshooting and us 

so it’s gone through all those different steps never matter of just dropping it off its always me 

what they need designing it to suit does need an and training them to 

actually used computers and to maintain of computers 

some of the students in the semester schools dismissal working on em 

McCracken come independent study in which they continue the relationship with you 

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the technology centers that they help set up my mentions window with Daddy 

Justin technology stuff some of them help fix the neighborhood park in Lititz 

free pit it’s a pizza broad based collaboration in nursing students 

first one to get a video real hands on wintergreen 

1207 transformed innocence by then being able to have this really wants in on the way 

the way you have it setup is wealth of the initial part on your first visit is 

is actually a 2 review St Louis to see an overall image of what’s happening 

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what some of the challenges are there face so its not a narrow focus on chest 

just technology absolutely it’s such a broader look what we have lunch at 

at a soccer field that has been transformed the first visit we are out there and watched 

watch the kids playing soccer so there’s a lot of feedback is going on 

so what sort of things that did the people that were using to people in need St Louis were using the computer 

what are things are they using them for an example of 

Olivia and summarize what the difference between cut 350 

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how to set up an event to setup a technology center 

euthanization 

training to local residents that are in the 

local area and this could be us the computer is it could be 

vines word processing and things like that but it isnt sleep training online 

give an example of Doctor Who Scott Lusk 

ask a job she had in in St Louis metro area 

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do to take on to become the leader of the pastor of the new beginning outreach ministry 

310 East in Centerville in Centreville richest guy next door 

East St Louis and she uses her to the technology center 

set up to provide training two people in the media 

but she also Hooksett up as an incentive for people to come in have had sex with 

Jesus and i cant use it take nothing for this job 

so the DD Technology Center poteau 

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what does another example with her actually would be as well 

that she recognized the need for a budgeting 

eating having people learn how to work with finances more so 

when she gets back the introductory Windows training she actually than offer 

second chorus that an add on courses that looks at how to 

how to use the spreadsheet capabilities of the computer to develop a personal finance software 

software that helps them learn how to do more effective budgeting and financing of their system 

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what’s going on other household so what a lot of it it goes beyond 

Beyonce what starts with huge how to use a computer but it moves onto here’s how to 

improve your wife using this technology I think the type of 

all four sites really user driven in the case of new beginnings 

there their individuals who come to doctor and say I need that I need to 

YouTube learn word because this is secretarial positions open up and say that I have to have 

Ventura create that died curriculum in an offer 

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offer at the just as in the the forth a site which is not face to face bass 

bass tab but I use recreational facility they want to get in 

getting to the kids actually learning how to work on computers and possibly 

are relationship where they could 

that work on computers for people on the community and make a little bit money let me hit it 

the number to the entries are guest 4122 Indian in little bit here we have 

we have with us in studio Smartwool ski Paul Adams from praying at the Champaign Urbana community 

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unity computing network and also Varkey George who is the interim director of the East St Louis 

St Louis action research project is also a professor of Urban and Regional Planning 

talk about some of the activities in East St Louis that has been Bob both of them 

the of the action research project and pregnat in setting up some computer 

computer labs there to provide people experience with computers some training 

internet access and so forth and questions of course you’re welcome 333 

33 will toll free 800 222 w Iowa 

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how much exposure in school there any St Louis young people 

people get when do the schools are they also making some effort or do they 

do they face I also a resource kind of problem in for it for them its difficult to 

to provide that hit the day they do face a problem but they also face 

lil boosie to do this kind of stuff 

the stuff Duncan Cohoes inequalities Evansville 

every looks at the school district of being the better at the worst possible 

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50 have the resource constraints and going to the prejudice 

within that I type I believe that they doing the best they can sue for instance in Windsor High School 

Tuesday that you started a Cisco Academy which is that day they made it 

did the train students to work a network Cisco networking equipment 

end up for you maybe it was a more about the Cisco Academy Frisco jazz music 

do they have programs like that they have a fairly well figured out 

computer lab that introduces to dance to robotics and software of fish 

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multimedia software various kinds of God people trained 

chained that so they do have some resources some big Timmy the biginning 

McKinley Didymos Resources Anthony people to be smooth supportive of what they doin 

doing and not be very critical of what they doing the short periods of time does it get in the school 

cool also are we could start but that isn’t where all the consolidation 

what happens in that is it where they burn to start taking it be on with just the basics of learning in school 

school we were just a router last weekend talking with Greg 

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Greg Lewis Bride of Christ he was pointing out the difference between 

Queen the youth corps City have in the Senior Corps City have 

teaching two different courses to reach 6 week 1 courses and 

one of the seniors of foods not fitting in on the youth chorus and think why are we getting 

learn all that stuff and he’s pointing out what they learned a lot of it at school they have alot of bass 

the basics but there’s still a lot of the consolidation it happens in the middle and upper 

homes that have the computers at their home that doesn’t happen with the law 

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the lower class community when they don’t have access so having that additional access Atlanta 

the web really make a difference because you know if you move you look it up 

technology pervades it until it’s it’s it’s easy for us to keep up with things into 

and to be done to an to use disdain in infected with butt 

but you know foot for many of these did the emphasis of many of the kids 

exposed at school that is in the provision of technology in India live sex video 

to be able to have the skills to get them to the job market in Cincinnati 

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will it was really wondering when you look at the people who are using these computer 

adults or whether they’re all so young people in the weather this works out to be 

how to be an adjunct or a supplement to were somehow builds on whatever kind of exposure that 

did the day get in the classroom in school and sounds like indeed yeah that is one of the things ive done 

what is an Italian does if there’s a lot of the Fallen 

volunteer everything going into this out of computers were donated the students work on them 

there must be some expenses if if internet internet access 

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what actually does this end up costing and how do you cover 

cover the cost where’s the closest is 

is it from the nation of computer and what causes travel 

Keeping Up with People of the presidents with me to a movie fund 

that kind of activity is it to service learning course it contributes to 

St Louis and so we become a country 

how much it cost but its very significant in a baby have a budget for service learning 

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learning of outreach and fitness and we use to cover the costs and is also cost for 

best for the host sites to an after credit card sue you know keep the lights on 

your panties to the bills and also the internet connection 

phone line so they have they have some contributions to the project is well that’s actually been 

Cuban or last visit again when were at Dr Scott love New Beginning outreach 

program shishotas is noted that she has had to cut fat 

cut back on the amount of training can she could provide because of the 

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700 for Life team bill and that was with 

what was with cut back for this isn’t she had tried to do all the after school programs that she had wanted to 

building she couldn’t afford it so ugly Yahoo 

Electrical cost we don’t often think of that but the computer 

computer monitor speakers about to amps 

running a web of 15 computers at 30 amps 

that your drawing well that adds up in additional utility cost 

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so why they come from a lot of different areas but the books 

trying to cover the cost of the innovative ways to have a 

75 a $10 fee for doing this course but don’t hold 

old computer village with another organization working but he says just bring up 

a10 of canned food that your contribution to Italian Ben Folds 

they have caused minivan coverage to an Operations but they have 

interesting and innovative ways of recovering some of those costs 

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making the team a meaningful to the people who are getting it 

bigger challenges for starting a face now though are when you do look at internet access cost 

cost 1015 points per month that you can 

internet access with seam trim your butt down there you 

Connect charges that are then added on add to your phone bill 

you also have issues of access speed 

when you look at phone quality the phone quality there is not selfish 

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sufficient to run at 56k let alone 336 

in one case up with had to downregulate down to 1900 

well you know you start going at that rate and it starts a 

making a significant significant different 1919 cake but I 

but ive it makes a significant difference in the quality for you have to start with 

can you upgrade the phone service or find alternate methods 

that some of the struggles for going through right now as well have you find other organizations 

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is a Shenzhen in East St Louis Wednesday see what these folks are doing stopping by NSYNC 

looks pretty interesting in the end the other people thinking about trying to do the same thing 

what we call the digital use a collaborative 

that’s a group of a 2000 so different community based organizations local government 

agencies that are interested in the NBA 

so we start a meeting in October of last year and we 

we put together a proposal for funding the collaborative itself 

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is is the whole coordination and 

open audition for these activities that affect significant 

good times cafe 

compose out the director of a technical assistance Antony St Louis spend a large amount of a time 

what time on this and it’s a really heavy thing to count 

so you’re looking for funds to support the collaborative 

do you have somebody administer ministry 

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data support for this exactly but come together we become aware of 

it may be 17 to 20 different Technology Center 

independence Ohio for the north 

fàcebook 

what other people are doing to Princeton University Edwardsville 

has Lucas set up the Griffin center Moriches 

8 youth oriented of Computer Technology Center with assistance from Sprint 

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sprint able to spend as a campus compact of some kind of program like that 

this is quite successful but it wasn’t meant to be from the collaborative 

abrasive that really good sense of the range of activity center on there 

we have got to talk with a to do that in Champaign 

Payne County annex line for hello 

the call their online for in Champaign County 

well okay maybe he’ll come back to the phone num in it 

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let me again introduce our guest are we talking here with Martin 

Smartwool ski and Paul Adams from Prairie net which is a community computer network you’re in Champaign 

Champaign Urbana based in the Graduate School of Library and Information Science 

science at University of Illinois and also joining us is Marky Georgie’s interim director 

director of the East St Louis action research project of the college 

fine and applied arts at the of a he’s a suppressor Urban and Regional Planning written about some of the efforts 

words that they have all been involved in trying to provide some 

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access to computers on a computer training and internet in East St Louis 

Lewis and questions are welcome 333 w Aloha or 9455 also 

800 222 w 101 think I may be a professor George Kentucky 

a little bit about I guess I’m just curious about what’s what’s going on these days and how things are 

how things are going in East St Louis because it’s one of those places that do that do what we stand 

used in the past one would think of as being just about the most economically 

advantage Darien in the entire state 

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how are things going in a St Louis web 

frequency and so sometimes some of the positive changes Escape 

escape me of somebody who would be in a 96 and one of these 

what weekend I went back last year was saying it’s been a huge improvement in in 

in what he saw what you saw their butt 

there are still some very serious challenges economic primarily but also 

also if he is a basic premise and lose its luster 

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2050 population since 1964 someone 90002 30000 

2014 what that means is you’ve got only one third the number of people 

people to support the infrastructure the government take for granted 

drawn together in champion to give you a sense of champagne 

Dr sixpence about 35 of 40 dollars per person per year 

Leah Remini St Louis that’s about $5 a person 

what you did in the resources available to the number the baby from Bruce WI 

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Lisa said he said was involved with soap 

how do you deal with 

abandoned Delich properties because you don’t people leave the property that CO 

some of them I have absentee landlords Ouranos and it deleted 

derated so there’s been a fair amount of efforts by community 

organizations to deal with these problems and they haven’t been successful differences 

distance with a limited resources of demolished in Ted something like 3000 

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abandoned property the 

the once and dismayed kind of a big difference has been 

lesbian nulytely the electrical system that was electrical system that was built from 

good from St Louis Airport Lambert field to downtown St Louis 

10072 East St Louis that has opened economic opportunities with 

East St Louis in huge waves 

primo soda as a public or federal expenditures is really it’s asleep 

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could you suck my benefits and be with an expected 

most investments it’s it’s it’s interesting 

interesting investment is housing so we have 

neighborhood that’s going to be invested with a package going to listen to 50 million dollars in New Hope 

new housing around this light rail station soda rock video 

very clear up positive change St Louis 

very good challenges also so for instance the city’s infrastructure is crumbling 

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simply inviting some like a hundred million dollars to to fix that and 

we don’t know where that’s going to come from the digital divide is a is a is a huge issue 

what I think the positive 

what did the kind of cord positive aspect of this whole thing is the strength of the people 

and community organizations that but they’ve got a phone 

examples he gave you babe bring that time in the talent to produce innovative 

interesting ways of dealing with the problem we are there 2 

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help them do specific things with diesel dinner ideas 

embarrassed with soap 

I believe the situation improve the lot of both in terms of 

the cities of the deal with this problem and the people supposed to do with the problems of cell 

so I think we can try again with R Champaign County Collier Land Before hello 

hello I just have a moment but the same apocryphal stories from the area was worth it 

what some of the abandoned buildings were in that way 

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from 1914 are riot happen 

which was not just right but I attack on on African Americans living there 

and then other one is so f*** monster fuller I was quoted as saying 

may or may not be the case but the arguement was it he said must what’s up 

it was the worst ghetto in the world smallest dick point of view because of the lack of Sun 

Avision of people there I hope thats being overcome by Trinity groups but then 

but then it probably was the case when he was there in that was probably late 60’s 

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are there other units are doing things their understand I guess maybe I didn’t hear the introduction 

is LARP 

little bit about more general notion about the digital divide a 

I don’t know if people saw this but the one of the places where 

this is where this discussion with taking place was by the FCC in the commitment 

by the Cunard I guess what’s his name to chair the most recent 

where is so Paulo and he supposedly said the digital divide 

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do what I don’t really know if this is the case study 

basically is diminishing the idea of a digital divide is a socialist 

social justice issue and doesn’t look good that’s all I wanted to say at this point hanger 

don’t hang up and listen well I don’t end in AB at my headgear 

Gibson opportunity I guess just did it maybe again so to make a point about why it is 

is that access to computers having some computer skills 

skills internet access might be in something important for low income people 

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well I suppose some people would come along and say there a lot of other things the disadvantage people 

people would need more than a computer 

and yet it same time I’m sure you’ll be prepared argue that you know thats thats really 

really being that that’s very old thinking why would you say 

do you say that the digital divide was indeed an issue in which something that would be important 

frost be addressing I think for stuff we need to look at 

the community St Louis de identified the digital divide as an issue that something that was her 

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it was very important to them feeder fell to their being left behind they didn’t have adequate resources 

resources and I think a lot of comes with the wanted something better for your children 

children and seeing the computers computer used computer knowledge as 

as a means to maybe that’ll help the community butt help with children in East St Louis 

how to move beyond community I think so mo fo what we’ve discussed 

discussed in the past as well is whether you’re talking about to do 

how to do something its related to the.com society or whether it’s 

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more of an organizational issue tour 

Bang and we would talk alot about.com 

everything of.com these days and what are you doing with commentary ecommerce 

etrade and if it’s just a matter of that certainly have some issues 

issue weather there’s a valid reason for bridging the digital divide is it because 

cuz no they can’t afford the Mercedes of shopping online 

they have to use the it forward of having to go to the store 

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Odin and then you can have a discussion weather digital releases 

valid or not but I think when you look at the digital divide is something that represents information 

firmation and a totally different lifestyle change that is happening 

is an information economy then I think that 

did something is very relevant it does need to be bridged that it is a life 

is a lifestyle change its a different way of living and 

more more people move to that the people who move to that are the 13 bad to get the better paying job 

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how to make a change in your life Mexican stupid comments 

when is you don’t have to go to the St Louis to see the digital divide you have been champion of the night soil 

so its not that far away about the desert 

does giving examples of the of the light rail system that was 

physical divided between the People v St Louis jobs in St Louis 

and by bridging it with the light rail we were able to have a significant effect 

back in people’s lives better boo to deal with their own problems was so with this data 

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give them access job opportunities is exactly the same thing with the information 

the information age they are on the wrong side of a battery a 

between this whole world of opportunity that we take for granted 

and it must be something done 2222 

what do is not just Dutchess from from 

Debbie Farrell from from flipping off to promote equity because it will help them 

do more effectively with their own problems did they do not need 

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in Hondo to think that they can do but that promote effective leader if they 

are allowed to be just like when they were allowed to bridge to the river 

what provides get access to the jobs 

it’s the same kind of impacted think would be felt by big do the dishes 

The Onion Prius programs I think bulb on Martin Ave Boston hear anything 

think that we have talked about the the idea of community 

computing and what that’s all about and it will be there also has been 

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has been a lot of talk about computers being an isolating Technology Project Lead the computer in the home 

ideas on how people are spending time in front of the machine that they previously would have spent 

interacting with other human beings face to face but I think something that I know that you 

you are interested in is this idea that the computer 

Shooter and Miku networks of computers can be tools for 

community building which is something good on the face of the time people might really not 

quite get is that something that you can talk about when you 

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work with computer and for many of us is the natural 

process anymore are we have her email account we have 

web accounts and we are getting better at seeking out information and sharing information 

information but when you work with a committee 

by and large you still do it face to face when 

you try to develop ideas often for Stewart face to face 

what’s the technology does well is allowed for you 

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for you to do follow up sharing of information its a silicate 

the passing back and forth of appendices of information if you will 

but that that face to face meeting is still what is the crucial aspect 

two building the relationship that allow for collaboration to happen 

that happens within the academic community here at the university 

city but it also happens in business and it also happens within the community 

that most of what we do in community building in helping 

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helping communities to build themselves first happens face to face 

and then the technology is something that’s added on to help facilitate 

above and beyond that meeting which make them more cohesive 

a better product overall I would like to visit Oso 

yes computers could be isolating butt 

the technology centers appear creatine are actually becoming social places 

in neighborhoods that don’t have social places so you know that the meaning of 

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mini of those who sings two sons of gun and release of technology center zip is in one way of finding the 

huge hole in the neighborhood so technology could have 

if I can bring people together most of India right now Isaac also to because 

East St Louis in such a large geographic area that people are scattered throughout 

that by developing the sinners that they now are able to share information 

nation of people in another region of the city I fink guide 

as we build more the Senate Daniel have more people involved in more people know what other people 

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people doing in a community summit success even of building the centers has often 

is often relied upon using public gathering places at the beginning point 

that helps to make the technology less intimidating because they’re not 

is there not going into these pristine white walled environment there going into the public 

Republic finance now just something else fits at the public center instead of being 

is a totally different place in us recycling place in the 

with one is is one of an actually in a church gsmarena 

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is it when you 

when you you said that one of the things that happen once you discover that there were other people who did you have not been aware of the 

is it is it fairly common that accept us some sort of faith 

based organization ends up being the host if it sits it quite common 

summit have for instance a second victim does it make 

crosses second chance shelter I think its for a 4 foot is a shelter for women 

and they have wind chill be heaven what’s a wide range of 

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shifting but yes I would I would think that the majority of faith based on 

yeah I would think so like a good one coming to the economy 

calling me about buttons to fullest statement about people liking vision I don’t know 

with the first name of hearing about it but that is a common problem of people from the 

Beyonce in some of us we go look at what is of visually 

really sad state of affairs 

To blame the people who are there for the for that state of affairs but that’s if you look at 

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if you look at the surface if you look below the surface road is erotic stories 

city of people who who do incredible things with these 

is limited circumstances to get some done for instance 

and I like to eat St Louis she’s a stablished the museum that she lived 

she lives that you can t conducts dance studios that so no its II don’t 

I dont believe its its its for lack of vision that the people have it 

its it’s just that so many is been ignored for so long but the place and its problems 

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note for so long by us in a byte better combat bats Penn State 

bye bye the nation that’s where the problem lies it’s not full 

vision I think that they have a vision they don’t have the means relaxation 

the longer infrastructure programs problems go on 

attended to just gets worse and worse and worse just makes that much more difficult 

difficult to deal with just the most of the basic sorts of issues 

must be so much beer summit groundwork so much repair Somerton something you have to take care first 

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before you can get on to other things to prepare the one lab that we worked in 

we are actually had to have a different work crew come in to patch holes in the 

and the walls of us so that you didn’t have no landing on the computers 

is it a fight with had to go 

to go to Dave had to do electrical upgrades ORF 

how did just because of short circuit finder 

yeah there’s a lot of infrastructure work that has to be done in each other places continuous become more 

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amor Amor promise at the end of the street the property tax rates 

anything goes highest state of Illinois at believe you know because 

does it have to be have to raise revenue and so the rate that they charge project is high 

what that means when you put a new building a new house in new home 

one of those properties the tax the actual fact that you’re so you know 

Vinny have a vision but then a disc on the problems that just don’t listen to anything 

do anything about it it it it it it Dennis Rodman little bit when people 

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people are these people is easy don’t know they don’t have enough 

do their own in a 67 problems 

things that act the forces that act against in improving the situation 

we have just about 5 minutes left in the Locust Ave T & A questions are certainly welcome 

welcome and maybe I should look like Ginny produce reduce our guest Martin whisky Paul Adams are involved with prayer 

Prairie net community computer network in Champaign Urbana parking George is a professor 

Regional Planning he is also interim director of the East St Louis action research project 

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project questions welcome 333 w Alto 800 22 

222 w while license at this is something you would like to continue doing and expand 

and Worthing King in the short term say the next time 

1218 months of expanding the number of sides we have currently down there 

down there with your 42 possibly 8 or 12 and its working mansion Wii U 

we have been trying to secure the chiffons before the state and federal government to help 

to help us do that what is this we mentioned earlier was 

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the instructions to take off the phone in structure and how it was 

f*** poor quality and this creates problems with the vagina 

people trying to dial up Internet have internet access to one of things would like to do 

is use the slope office downtown St Louis 

as a point of presence and then I try to get broadband 

that site and then be able to provide data that internet connection to 

who are partners in East St Louis possibly by using wireless system 

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passing the antiquated phone system 

if its active really effective applicable solution because he’s a loser 

an example of civil areas that have this population spread out over a large area 

area and width combat instructor silly Wireless may be an effective way of getting 

getting Doug Gittins Internet connectivity duties of lung 

fashion technology centers in Dallas 

battery as a way to prepare a wall for soliciting donations of can 

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computers and such that its just a matter of fact 

weather in did you were still interested in used equipment 

articular of winter coming from office settings work particularly well 

because you getting larger batches do the identical hardware Richmond 

make it easier to put into sites second of all there of the network for that come with the network 

network cards already in place does to combine really help 

set up the computers in the past use a lot of the spirit 

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Pizza the amount of effort that goes into recovery 

become quite a challenge when we get a nice large batch of office 

office computers it’s much more simplified to put the items 

absolutely you know if you can get as significant donation of computers in place 

next semester next fall a duck take my 315th doing some good start all over 

recipe Flint s involving the time on computer based projects 

60 are the projects in East St Louis we looking for volunteers intentional website 

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www.es 

larva uc.edu the whole bunch of information about the 

the project nobody St Louis in about volunteer opportunities abound 

bountiful Pointe where we used our time are there any last last things you like 

when I get up again 

and we say if people are interested in finding out more about the 

the East St Louis action research project of which rocky GA 

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dream director again that it is the address their website is www. 

w.eslrp.uiuc. 

c.edu so you can check that out and people are interested in volunteering their time 

time there and they can get in touch with you and also if people are interested 

interested in talking with the Prairie Netflix about donating machine 

machines at equipment might be good idea to call and say its what I got 

I got can you use this and then go from there that would be wonderful absolutely 

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244 1962 to call 

does a can coke give a call there and contact us and we 

and we can make arrangements to take a look at the quipment pick it up and drop it off okay 

well I want to say thank you very much for being an inspiration 

Ski and Paul Adams from prairienet and park at George he is with the dog with the east 

St Louis action research project is also professor of Urban and Regional Planning at University of Illinois 

Illinois